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Dragon Ball has a wealth of cultural context and inspiration that’s often overlooked because the fights are cool. Though not averse to fawning over animation and allowing for the Rule of Cool, Jelli and Bekinney delve into the world of Akira Toriyama, and discuss lesser-known facts about the worldwide manga and anime phenomenon that is one of the most well-known and popular Japanese pop culture exports of all-time. Want to learn about the cultural importance of moments, literary inspirations behind scenes and characters, production facts, and more? Whether you‘re a fan of Goku, Vegeta, or any of the cast of characters including Piccolo, Gohan, Frieza, or even Broly, there should be something for you to enjoy as we cover all things Dragon Ball, including DBZ, GT, Super, Daima, and more! We‘ll have discussions, guests, interviews, reviews, and commentaries so grab a senzu bean, power up your fan level to Super Saiyan, and get ready to learn about Kakarot and his friends; and of course, thank you for helping us achieve our FINAL FORUM...We hear it‘s over 9000.
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Tuesday Apr 07, 2026
Tuesday Apr 07, 2026
False Super Saiyan?!?! What could it mean???
The answers are within as Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon by tackling the 1991 movie, Lord Slug.
In this episode:
- Jelli and Bekinney are ...doing something...
- We introduce special guests for this episode, the cohosts of the podcast Kaiju vs. History, Patrick and Myles
- We sync up our audio commentary for the listeners
- We discuss some of the production facts about the film Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug such as its 1991 release at the Toei Manga Matsuri film festival, the film's box office, and the production team working on the film
- We talk about the other film released alongside the movie, Magical Taruruto a
- A brief foray into the world of Ultraman
- The moment that Dragon Ball Z has become an absolute powerhouse phenomenon is here, as the box office has increased by 62% between movies
- Yamato, the Black Cat (or Kuroneko) delivery company in Japan and how they allowed the Ghibli movie Kiki's Delivery Service to use their trademarks
- The film's villains
- Wings or Doradabo and his resemblance to Dodoria
- Angila or Angira and his resemblance to Zarbon
- Zeeun, whose name means seiun or nebula
- Madamatcha, whose name is a space-related pun
- A brief discussion of the Andromeda Galaxy, where all this film's minor villains take their names
- Clash of the Titans 1981
- Comparisons between Slug and Turles, the villain of the film Tree of Might
- A discussion of False Super Saiyan and Toriyama's intentions
- and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual as we react to this movie and re-evaluate our thoughts on it
Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise.
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Tuesday Mar 24, 2026
Tuesday Mar 24, 2026
Who is the most DATABLE Dragon Ball character? Let's find out TODAY!
Jelli and Bekinney continue their break from breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon, and pivot away from tearing into the manga and anime that are the most crucial parts of the Dragon Ball franchise to have a little themed fun!
In this episode:
- It's TOURNAMENT SEASON! Kick off your shoes, relax, and listen as we break down 32 of Dragon Ball's most popular (?) characters and discuss who would win in a theoretical game of The Dating Game, with a Jeopardy kicker
- We take if from the round of 32, down to the Sweet 16, Head into the Elite Eight, jump into the Final Four, and then choose our champion!
- Who will reign supreme and be declared the number one under heaven in datability?
Join us as we take a break from uncovering the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise and have some March Madness themed fun!
Tuesday Mar 10, 2026
Tuesday Mar 10, 2026
Who is the MOST LOVABLE Dragon Ball character?!?!
Jelli and Bekinney take a break from breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon, and pivot away from tearing into the manga and anime that are the most crucial parts of the Dragon Ball franchise to have a little themed fun!
In this episode:
- It's TOURNAMENT SEASON! Kick off your shoes, relax, and listen as we break down 64 of Dragon Ball's most popular (?) characters and discuss who would win in a theoretical episode of The Dating Game
- We discuss the system used for determining outcomes.
- We break down our opponents in each matchup.
- In the Saiyan Region: Will Goku topple Tarble, will Vegeta defeat Paragus, who will win when Broly encounters Goten? Will the timeline handle Future Trunks facing off against his younger self? Can Gohan defeat King Vegeta? Can Cabba beat Bardock? Can Kale topple Nappa? Will Caulifla be able to defeat Raditz?
- In the Earthling Region:
- Krillin vs Yajirobe, Bulma vs Chiaotzu, Android 17 vs Ox King, Android 18 vs Mr Satan, Yamcha vs Chichi, Tien vs Nam, Android 16 vs Videl, Master Roshi vs Launch
- In the Villains Region: Can Frieza out-fox Mercenary Tao? Will Hit topple Recoome? Will Zamasu throttle King Cold? Who is more nefarious, Cooler or Pilaf? Who has the mad skills, Ginyu or Dabura? Will Buu beat down Android 19? Will Jiren smash Dr Gero? Can Cell prove to be more perfect than Garlic Jr?
- In the Deity/Ally Region:
- Who will win when Beerus, Oolong, Korin, Mr Popo, Nail, Elder Kai, Supreme Kai Shin, Puar, King Kai, Gregory, Dende, Kabito, Kami, King Yemma, Piccolo, and Jaco all face off?
Join us as we take a break from uncovering the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise and have some March Madness themed fun!
Tuesday Feb 24, 2026
Tuesday Feb 24, 2026
Jelli and Bekinney have no time to continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime Dragon Ball.
In this episode:
- The climactic battle!
Join us and find out if we will ever continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise, and unspool what we all love so much about Goku, the Dragon Ball franchise, the Dragon Ball anime, Dragon Ball manga, and more.
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Tuesday Feb 10, 2026
Tuesday Feb 10, 2026
We've reached a mid-point(?) of the overall Namek arc of Dragon Ball Z. We've reached Namek, we've dispatched Frieza's henchmen, and even the elite Ginyu Force have been defeated. How do we feel about this saga, as we begin the final battle against Frieza himself?
Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball by jumping into comparing the Dragon Ball anime to the Dragon Ball manga. We continue discussing Frieza arc, and talk about pacing. We also discuss five episodes of the anime, episodes 76-80, "Picking Up the Pieces," "Plans for Departure," "Nursing Wounds," "Friends or Foes," and "Held Captive."
In this episode:
- Jelli and Bekinney descend to the surface of Mars
- We recap the story a little bit
- We discuss Elder Namekian (aka Guru) being able to unlock potential and why Gohan is able to have his potential unlocked twice throughout the story
- Scouters vs chi and how expertly the Z fighters, as they're known, can alter their flow of chi
- A brief note on Change, Switch, and Ginyu, whether he possibly says Henshin and whether the word choice matters
- Mr Popo's carpet can teleport?
- Bulma's hairstyles
- Gohan says it out loud: Piccolo is his dad
- Vegeta's tail...he claims it will grow back?!?!
- A continuity error the anime fixes
- Some of the timing/timeline differences introduced by the anime taking place at a slower pace
- Frieza killing Cargo or Dodoria, and whether it matters
- Goku reaching 100G on purpose or accident, and whether it matters
- Notes on the title pages, including possible inspiration behind the Driver License episode
- Frieza's chair: does it fly, or does he fly it?
- Wrapping up the arc with grades and comparing the manga to the anime
- and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise, and unspool what we all love so much about Goku, the Dragon Ball franchise, the Dragon Ball anime, Dragon Ball manga, and more.
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Tuesday Feb 03, 2026
Tuesday Feb 03, 2026
Dragon Ball Super RETURNS!
After the much-anticipated Genkidamatsuri event that took place in Tokyo, Japan, on January 25, 2026, there's a slew of news about Dragon Ball: New games, new anime, now DLC, and new versions of old anime...or old stories done new or...uhmmmm...Dragon Ball Super Kai, basically.
Join Jelli and Bekinney as we do a casual check-in and wrangle together the news from the Genkidamatsuri event and talk about it.
We also catch up on what we've been watching, Jujutsu Kaisen, Evangelion, Gurren Lagann, Fallout, housing issues, bad puns, Hunter x Hunter, Predator Badlands, Guillermo Del Toro's Frankenstein, Avatar: Fire and Ash, Good Boy, Primate, Nobody 2, Bugonia, The Surrender, One Battle After Another, It Was Just an Accident, and 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple
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Tuesday Jan 27, 2026
Tuesday Jan 27, 2026
What do you get when you put together all the PLOT of a movie, but little of the ACTION of a Dragon Ball movie? Why are we talking about Jane Fonda on a Dragon Ball Z commentary track?
The answers are within as Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon by tackling the 1991 movie, The Tree of Might.
In this episode:
- Jelli and Bekinney are nearing a certain Red Planet
- We sync up our audio commentary for the listeners
- We discuss some of the production facts about the film Dragon Ball Z: The Tree of Might such as its 1991 release at the Toei Manga Matsuri film festival, the film's box office, and the production team working on the film
- We talk about the other films released alongside the movie in an event known as Akira Toriyama: The World, namely, Kennosuke-sama and Pink the Rain Jack.
- A little bit about Minoru Okazaki, director of Kennosuke-sama who also contributed to Dr. Slump, Tetsujin 28, Dragon Ball GT, Mega Man: Wish Upon a Star, Astro Boy, Cyborg 009 and more, as well as the voice cast featuring talents that would appear in Metal Gear Solid 2, Soul Calibur III, and the Lupin franchise
- Comparing Pink to Akira Toriyama's later manga, Sand Land, and discussing its director, Toyoo Ashida, most known for the original Vampire Hunter D, as well as Fist of the North Star and the 1986 Guyver anime, as well as the anthology film Batman: Gotham Knight
- A brief discussion of Yuji Ikeda, art director for this film, and through Super Android 13, as well as Barefoot Gen 2, Bleach, Death Note, Demon City Shunjuku, Digimon, The Guyver, Naruto, One Piece, Pokemon and Yu Yu Hakusho
- The first appearance of Icarus, who we likened (A VERY LITTLE BIT) to the DBZ equivalent of Harley Quinn and drew comparisons to a Dr Slump character, Taxi Dragon
- Discussing the film's unique antagonists, Raisin, Lakasai, Cacao, Amond, Daiz and Turles
- Cacao's visual similarities to a slew of creatures that bounced around Jelli's brain including the Inhumanoids characters Tendril and Metlar as well as the design similarity to the third Clayface, Preston Payne
- Delving into a unique aspect of Daiz's design: leg warmers and how they were popularized by the 1980s aerobics fad, originally pioneered by Jacki Sorenson and popularized by Jane Fonda's home workout video series
- Other elements of the 80s leg warmer fad including Fam Flashdance and Xanadu
- A little about Jane Fonda's career, from Barbarella to political activism, to her faux pas that led to her being dubbed Hanoi Jane, to her attempt to rebrand herself with her home exercise tapes
- How Jane Fonda's workout is a trope that is so well-known, people have likely seen homages to or parodies of it (like 2024's The Substance) even if they didn't know it, akin to Star Wars or Dragon Ball Z
- Jelli acknowledging that the popularity of Jane Fonda's home workout paved the way for his exercises of preference, P90X and other Beach Body (or Bodi) workouts
- Trivia around the movie's many dubs, unique design debuts, and cast of characters
- Ron Wasserman's contributions to the original score and his thoughts on Dragon Ball
- Shuki Levy, a partner of Haim Saban and co-founder of Saban Entertainment
- How the Tree of Might may be an allusion to a Tree of Life
- Bekinney pointing out that the Tree of Might is kind of like the Tree of Heaven and is a terrible thing, unlike Toriyama's pre-established Tree of Hell (the Enseijuu Tree, seen in the HFIL episode) that is a healthy, prosperous thing, and how this highlights Toriyama's love of opposites.
- and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual as we react to this movie and re-evaluate our thoughts on it
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Tuesday Jan 13, 2026
Tuesday Jan 13, 2026
What happens when an independent artist unofficially adapts a Dragon Ball-free adaptation of a Dragon Ball video game into a light novel? Did that question even make sense?
Jelli and Bekinney are taking a quick break from breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball Z by looking at a novelization of the NES game: Dragon Power, inspired by the Worlds of Power book series.
In this episode:
- Jelli and Bekinney pass through an asteroid belt
- The Worlds of Power Book series, from its inception as an idea inspired by Seth Godin's conversations with his nephew about reading to its ultimate success
- Nintendo's decision to pass on the Worlds of Power licensing
- Random House's Godzilla books
- A discussion of Quan Millz and Chuck Tingle
- and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
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Tuesday Dec 30, 2025
Tuesday Dec 30, 2025
What if… Dragon Ball were to implement a Secret Invasion type of story, with a race of Ginyu type aliens body swapping into various bodies? How would swapping two beings into the same body at the same time?
Join Jelli and Bekinney as they continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball Z by looking at episodes 71 through 75: "Goku is Ginyu and Ginyu is Goku," "Calling the Eternal Dragon," "Gohan, Defeat Your Dad," "Captain Ginyu…the Frog" and "Password is Porunga." We continue talking about the Ginyu Force, and this episode, zero in on Captain Ginyu, the namesake of the group.
In this episode:
- Jelli and Bekinney pass a certain ringed planet
- A decent batch of episodes
- Vegeta’s outfits and the internal consistency (or lack thereof) of Saiyan armor stretching to fit its wearer
- The man (?) of the hour: Captain Ginyu
- Ginyu’s personality resemblances in WWE, including Ric Flair and the Ultimate Warrior
- Ginyu’s physical resemblance to the Talosians of Star Trek
- Whether Ginyu’s body is his original, which spirals into a conversation about how multiple body swaps would work simultaneously
- What if: Ginyu’s species could ALL do the body swap and we had a Secret Invasion type of story in Dragon Ball with the Ginyus acting as the Skrulls
- Should we have done a Frieza episode before a Ginyu episode?
- Are Ginyu and Frieza stand-ins for Mephistopheles and Satan?
- Nio, a pair of wrathful dharmpala who are guardians of Buddha and destroy obstacles to enlightenment, also known as Agyo and Ungyo
- And invitation to be corrected on the connections we’re making
- Ginyu and Frieza’s comparability to Orcus, Sauron and Galactus
- and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
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Tuesday Dec 16, 2025
Tuesday Dec 16, 2025
Prepare for Trouble! And make it...two. Two of the...the bad guys. Two of them. At the same time. A tag team of cosmic proportions, when the fastest man in the universe and...another guy team up to take on the forces of good.
Join Jelli and Bekinney as they continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball Z by looking at episodes 66 through 70: "Goku's New Power," "A Legend Revealed," "Ginyu Assault," "Incredible Force!" and "Frieza Approaches." We continue talking about the Ginyu Force, and this episode, zero in on Jeice and Burter, the two who operate as a tag team withing the unit.
In this episode:
- The season is over...?
- A good bunch of episodes again
- Some trivia about Burter, his height and his involvement in Dragon Ball GT
- A tangent into Ultraman Leo
- Jessie the Body Ventura
- The idea of punctuality and time management as it pertains to Japanese culture, and how the country was not always thought of as the bullet-train-driven hyper-efficient society it is now
- Jeice or Jheese
- Sticking with WWF/WWE bit of comparison with Jeice and Burter being like The Rockers, where Shawn Michaels betrayed Marty Jeaneatty, or a visual comparison point of The Road Warriors, especially with Road Warrior Hawk looking somewhat similar to Burter
- Revisiting the history of punk in Japan
- Tracing punk's history in Japan from Maruhachibu and Zuno Keisatsu into The Stalin and Hantarash and how punk's emphasis on visual style in Japan gave way eventually to Visual Kei
- A brief history of visual kei, via the band X Japan and some American comparison points like Twisted Sister or Kiss
- Jeice as a glam rock superstar
- and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise.