Final Forum: A Dragon Ball Podcast

What do true crime stories about pearls whose tale consists of hired murder, money laundering, and Osama Bin Laden have to do with Dragon Ball? You have to listen to this one to find out.

Join Jelli and Bekinney as they continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball Z by looking at episodes 112 through 117:  "Call for Restoration," "Suicidal Course," "Extreme Measures," "The World Awakens," "Brief Chance for Victory," and "Krillin's Proposal." As we finish The Garlic Jr Arc. We discuss humanity's fascination with giant pearls, discuss the use of mist and fog in legends and folklore and wax poetic about cryptids and mythology and what it means to believe in such things.

In this episode:

• Jelli and Bekinney are going to force their way back
• We...liked these episodes
• We compare Garlic Jr to that lovable villain of the Simpsons franchise, Sideshow Bob
• Mermaid Tears, aka beach glass
• The Pearl of Lao Tzu, aka the Pearl of Muhammed aka the Pearl of Laozi
• A tale of death, murder, court trials, Ripley's Belive It or Not, and overvalued gems
• The Pearl of Puerto
• The use of mist and fog in storytelling including Irish feth fiada, a mist that ensures elvish supernatural beings known as Tuatha de Danann remain invisible to humans; Dutch Witte Wieven, mysterious figures of wise women; and the Norse Niflheim, which translates as World of Mist
• Japanese yokai including enenra, azuki abba, and yuki onna
• Stories of Lake Mashu, in Hokkaido
• Discussing the Terragen Mists of the Marvel universe and how important it is to the Inhumans and mutants/X-Men
• Stephen King stories including Wizard and Glass (and The Dark Tower), The Mist, Dr. Sleep and IT
• Bigfoot, for some reason, and we talk about Harry and the Hendersons, Sasquatch Sunset, the Asylum's Bigfoot featuring Alice Cooper
• Mermaids and we talk about gillmen and The Shape of Water and The Cabin in the Woods, the Polish movie The Lure, the film Blue My Mind and of course the Tom Hanks-Daryl Hanna film Splash
• and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual 

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Spear fishing. Male boob windows. These are Dragon Ball things, right? They are now.

Join Jelli and Bekinney as they continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball Z by looking at episodes 108 through 112: "The Heavens Tremble," "Black Fog of Terror," "Battle in Kami's Lookout," "Fight with Piccolo," and "Call for Restoration." As we delve into a filler saga with The Garlic Jr Arc. We discuss the history of spear fishing and break down the Spice Boys who are a reference to what you think they are.

In this episode:

• Jelli and Bekinney are trying to get back home
• We...liked these episodes
• The Spice Boys. Yes, they are referencing the Spice Girls
• Groups that owe their success to the Spice Girls such as No Doubt, Britney Spears, All Saints, B*Witched, Atomic Kitten, Girl Thing, Girls@Play, Girls Aloud and more
• The Four Demonic Monarchs...or the Four Heavenly Kings
• Equating each Spice Boy to a Heavenly King
• How the manga staff picked up Toriyama's tendencies again
• A note about our Bansho Fan filler episode 
• Notes about Maron and her design as it potentially appears prior to this in Savings Soldier Cashman, a Toriyama manga that appeared in V Jump.
• Spearfishing, its history and how advances have led to regulation but also modern diving technology in general
• Math!
• We talk about Klein bottles, four dimensional space, and potential real-world applications for studying mathematically esoteric concepts
• The ab window as the male equivalent of a boob window
• We manage a reference to Evil Dead and Army of Darkness
• and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual 

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It's the end of Frieza, forever, for real, with NO chance of him retur...he returns before the arc is even over? What? Anyway, how do we feel about the Frieza Arc having reached its conclusion?

Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball by jumping into comparing the Dragon Ball anime to the Dragon Ball manga. We finish discussing Frieza arc, and talk about pacing and intended endings. We also discuss six episodes of the anime, episodes 102-107, "Duel on a Vanishing Planet," "Pathos of Frieza," "Frieza Defeated!!" "Mighty Blast of Rage," "Namek's Explosion...Goku's End?" and "Goku's Alive!!"

In this episode:

• Jelli and Bekinney prepare to return to their own universe
• We recap the story 
• We discuss whether the end of the Frieza Saga was the intended ending of Dragon Ball
• Animation difficulties, both with continuity and overall quality
• Toriyama's workload at this time
• A brief note on reading burning leaves to tell the future
• Wrapping up the arc with grades and comparing the manga to the anime
• and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual 

Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise, and unspool what we all love so much about Goku, the Dragon Ball franchise, the Dragon Ball anime, Dragon Ball manga, and more.

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The Yellow Robed Demon King? Who is that? Does he remind us of Goku Black? Or Baby from Dragon Ball GT? OR Captain Ginyu? What makes the 1986 adaptation of Journey to the West so endearing?

In this episode, Jelli and Bekinney take another look at 1986 Chinese television event, Journey to the West. It began as part of our October viewing where we take a break from breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon and delve into times our franchise's creators have "put on a costume" and worked on other shows and movies. Now, it's extending into BONUS ROUNDS, where we'll occasionally look back at the show and see what else we can discuss.

 

In this episode:

• Catch-up time! Do we have any further news about Dragon Ball Age 1000 or the return of Dragon Ball Super? What plans do we have for the our show right now? Join us to find out!
• We discuss YOUR results from the poll YOU voted in!
• We discuss why we chose to look at Journey to the West
• The reception of the show and its legacy
• Plans to continue breaking down the show in the future
• ...and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual 

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Have you ever wondered why Goku can sometimes punch someone and it blows up a mountain nearby and other times blast someone with a full power Kamehameha and it barely ruffles anyone's hair?

Join Jelli and Bekinney as they continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball Z by looking at episodes 96 through 101: "Explosion of Anger," "Namek's Destruction?" "A Final Attack," "Approaching Destruction," Gohan Returns," and "The Last Wish." As we continue on into the Frieza Saga, we focus on Goku and Frieza's battle and talk about their ability to control their ki.

In this episode:

• Jelli and Bekinney are face-to-face with....something new
• A slight step back up for the episodes, because despite the pacing still being slow, the plot has things happening
• Toriyama's Dragon World as spiritual, rather than religious
• Ki as a metaphysical energy
• Metaphysics. What is it? Why is it important? What is the difference between a spacetime relativist and a spacetime absolutist?
• The difference between energy, ki, and power
• Ki as a Daoist idea and the concept of the infinite, both outside ourselves and within
• The connotations of Ki
• How ki refinement can change one's aura
• How the ideas of ki control are built from Dragon Ball's foundations, and how this is important to understand for everything moving forward
• Goku's ability to control his ki vs Frieza's inability and how their external struggle is a manifestation of their own internal battles
• and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual 

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Note: The audio is less than ideal for Jelli during the opening 3 minutes, but improves drastically during the topic-of-discussion.

It's one of anime's most iconic moments, but did you know it has its basis in Buddho-Daoist traditions and the yin-yang cycle of energy? Let's talk about SUPER SAIYANS in today's episode!

Join Jelli and Bekinney as they continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball Z by looking at episodes 91 through 95: "Embodiment of Fire," "Trump Card," "Keep the Chance Alive!" "Power of the Spirit," and "Transformed at Last." As we continue on into the Frieza Saga, we focus on Goku's transformation into a Super Saiyan and the importance of the moment.

In this episode:

• Jelli and Bekinney CAN escape...but SHOULD they?
• A slight step down for episodes, as the pacing really hurts some of what's happening here
• Focusing this discussion on Goku and Vegeta for reasons that will become clear
• Dragon Ball as a story about growth, even if that growth is incremental
• Why Dragon Ball's spectacle is not empty and how having something underneath spectacle makes the fireworks all the more satisfying
• The key conflict of the Frieza Arc
• A narrow mind vs an open mind
• How Goku brings these two ideas together and how that helps him transform
• Goku's philosophy of pushing himself to his limits and beyond and how Frieza's ruthlessness gives Goku no other choice but to transform
• A discussion of yin and yang and the taijitu
• How older Daoist texts refer not to black and white, but to red and blue
• Blue and red make...gold?
• Sudden enlightenment in Buddhism, satori, and how that influences the Super Saiyan transformation
• Attempting to rank the three biggest/most memorable Super Saiyan transformations against one another
• and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual 

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You may know Frieza is based on real estate agents, but do you know why? Do his design quirks point to a deeper cultural connection to Japan's history with relating to outsiders (aka foreigners aka 'aliens')?

Join Jelli and Bekinney as they continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball Z by looking at episodes 86 through 90: "The End of Vegeta," "The Ultimate Battle," "Clash of the Super Powers," "Frieza's Boast," and "Bold and Fearless." As we dig into the Frieza Saga, we focus-in on the man himself and dive deep on discussing Lord Frieza.

In this episode:

• Jelli and Bekinney are trying to plan an escape from the swirling dimensional vortex
• An overall solid batch of episodes, and we discuss why they seem more tolerable at the pace we've been going than they have in the past
• A reminder about Demon King Piccolo and how his children were born in the past
• Toriyama's decision to draw Frieza as purely evil in his first appearance and how that influenced his style of speech
• Frieza being partially modeled after Yu Kondo, and a promise to cover Toriyama's second editor in a future episode
• A discussion of oni, largely because Frieza has horns, but also because he can transform, and is alien
• How oni folklore in Japan has its roots in a fear of the unknown and outsiders
• A brief mention about The Devil, aka Satan, aka Lucifer from Christianity but not much discussion: we trust our listeners to pick up on the obvious symbolism there
• Frieza's basis in Japanese culture as a real estate developer/land prospector
• The Japanese Bubble Economy, its history, how it happened, how it burst, and the fallout
• Nui Onoue, Japan's Bernie Madoff, who wound up billions of yen in debt due to bad investments
• Shusuke Kaneko's (director of the Heisei Gamera trilogy, as well as Godzilla: GMK) own Bubble Economy movie: Linking Love
• The Godzilla movie that reflected the Bubble Economy: Godzilla vs King Ghidorah from 1991
• Frieza's transformations
• Frieza's biggest comparison point in American comics, in our opinion, Mr. Sinister from the X-Men franchise
• and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual 

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Is Piccolo his own person or a re-incarnation of Demon King Piccolo? If he's his son why does he have his memories and his connection to Kami? If he's a reincarnation why does he become good and speak of himself as if he's a different person?

Join Jelli and Bekinney as they continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball Z by looking at episodes 81 through 85: "Deja Vu," "Frieza's Second Transformation," "Another Transformation?" "Dende's Demise," and "The Renewed Goku." We begin the Frieza Saga, and focus on the person who has had their context changed most by these adventures on Namek: Piccolo.

In this episode:

• Jelli and Bekinney are still alive
• A decent batch of episodes, but some pacing issues to be sure
• A reminder about Demon King Piccolo and how his children were born in the past
• Piccolo Jr as contextualized by the Shinto concept of a bunshin
• How Bunshin compare to Buddhist reincarnation cycles
• How reincarnation cycles lead to the concept of a mindstream, which is akin to the Olympic torch, but for one's thoughts and soul
• What concepts from Daoism influenced Piccolo giving birth to Piccolo Jr by spitting up an egg
• Some symbolism with Goku destroying the Demon part of Demon King Piccolo
• The way this relates to Namekians, the Namekian concept of fusion, and Nail and Piccolo's fusion
• Namekians, their name puns, their physiology, and how that may all be influenced by the decision to name them after slugs
• Guru's (or Grand Elder) unlocked potential ability
• and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual 

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Tree of Might gave us all plot and little action, but what happens when we have all action and little plot? Can we sustain a commentary for a film as threadbare as this?

The answers are within as Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon by tackling the 1991 movie, Cooler's Revenge.

In this episode:

• Jelli and Bekinney are chilln
• We sync up our audio commentary for the listeners
• We discuss Piccolo's eating habits, if any, and whether Namekians operate on zombie rules or vampire rules when it comes to eating human food
• We discuss some of the production facts about the film Dragon Ball Z: Cooler's Revenge such as its 1991 release at the Toei Manga Matsuri film festival, the film's box office, and the production team working on the film
• We talk about the other films released alongside the movie, Magical Taruruto: Magical Battle of Friendship and Dragon Quest: The Great Adventure of Dai 1
• A little bit about Tetsuya Egawa, who also created Golden Boy, and some connections between Magical Taruruto and Dragon Ball including voice work by Megumi Urawa (Uub and Universe 5's Supreme Kai in Dragon Ball Super), and production by Chiaki Imada
• Riku Sanjo, who wrote The Adventure of Dai and also worked on Guyver: Bio Booster Armor, as well as several Kamen Rider entries including W, Zero One, and Eternal
• Akia Katada, key animator, also from World's Strongest and Wrath of the Dragon
• Yutaka Nakamura, future Bones animator, with Bones being notable for having gorgeous work in their contemporary anime such as My Hero Academia and Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, will this movie hold up?
• The Cooler Armored Squadron
• Neiz, whose name is based on mayonnaise
• Dore, whose name is a pun on Salad Dressing and breaking down some of the confusion around this pun
• Salza, whose name is NOT a pun on Salsa, but rather Thousand Island Dressing, and whose design is clearly influenced by Jeice
• The Cooler Armored Squadron as the we have the Ginyu Force at home squad
• Cooler, his appearance, his name and his personality
• Predator, or Yautja, and how Alien vs Predator was being teased from almost the moment there were Alien and Predator movies both in existence
• Toriyama's contributions to this movie being a bit more than usual.
• Dub peculiarities, and discussing Creative Products Corporation and their history with the franchise
• How Funimation both kept and altered the numetal soundtrack here, and tweaked the use of Disturbed in the film
• What Shenron and Bulma might be up to at this time
• A checklist of how this movie pairs with the Frieza arc
• and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual as we react to this movie and re-evaluate our thoughts on it

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False Super Saiyan?!?! What could it mean???

 

The answers are within as Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon by tackling the 1991 movie, Lord Slug.

In this episode:

• Jelli and Bekinney are ...doing something...
• We introduce special guests for this episode, the cohosts of the podcast Kaiju vs. History, Patrick and Myles
• We sync up our audio commentary for the listeners
• We discuss some of the production facts about the film Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug such as its 1991 release at the Toei Manga Matsuri film festival, the film's box office, and the production team working on the film
• We talk about the other film released alongside the movie, Magical Taruruto a
• A brief foray into the world of Ultraman
• The moment that Dragon Ball Z has become an absolute powerhouse phenomenon is here, as the box office has increased by 62% between movies
• Yamato, the Black Cat (or Kuroneko) delivery company in Japan and how they allowed the Ghibli movie Kiki's Delivery Service to use their trademarks
• The film's villains
• Wings or Doradabo and his resemblance to Dodoria
• Angila or Angira and his resemblance to Zarbon
• Zeeun, whose name means seiun or nebula
• Madamatcha, whose name is a space-related pun
• A brief discussion of the Andromeda Galaxy, where all this film's minor villains take their names
• Clash of the Titans 1981
• Comparisons between Slug and Turles, the villain of the film Tree of Might
• A discussion of False Super Saiyan and Toriyama's intentions
• and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual as we react to this movie and re-evaluate our thoughts on it

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